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# Minutes of the 30th meeting of the Scala Center, Q3 2023 | ||
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Minutes are [archived](https://scala.epfl.ch/records.html) on the | ||
Scala Center website. | ||
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## Summary | ||
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The following agenda was distributed to attendees: | ||
[agenda](https://github.com/scalacenter/advisoryboard/blob/main/agendas/030-2023-q3.md). | ||
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Center activities for the past quarter focused on Scala 3 compiler | ||
performance, a specification for match types, scala3-migrate, sbt, | ||
Scastie, and Scala Days in Madrid. | ||
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Details are below and in the Center's activity report: | ||
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* [report](https://scala.epfl.ch/records/2023-Q3-activity-report.html) | ||
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No new proposals were received this quarter. | ||
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Other business discussed included Scala 2, the role of the community | ||
representatives, Scala Days, the Scala blog, and officer elections. | ||
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## Date, Time and Location | ||
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The meeting took place virtually on Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at | ||
15:00 (UTC). | ||
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Minutes were taken by Seth Tisue (secretary). | ||
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## Attendees | ||
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Officers: | ||
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* Chris Kipp (chairperson) | ||
* also board member, representing Lunatech | ||
* Darja Jovanovic (executive director), EPFL | ||
* Sébastien Doeraene (interim technical director), EPFL | ||
* Seth Tisue (secretary), Lightbend | ||
* also board member, representing Lightbend, subbing for Lukas Rytz | ||
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Board members: | ||
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* Daniela Sfregola, Morgan Stanley | ||
* Paweł Marks, VirtusLab (subbing for Krzysztof Romanowski) | ||
* Noel Markham, Xebia Functional (subbing for Maureen Elsberry) | ||
* Claire McGinty, Spotify | ||
* Lukas Rytz, Lightbend | ||
* Eugene Yokota, community representative | ||
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Paweł introduced himself, as it was his first time attending. | ||
He is best known to the community as the Scala 3 release officer. | ||
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## Technical report | ||
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Seb, as interim technical director, summarized Scala Center activities | ||
since the last meeting. He presented from these brief slides, which | ||
concisely show what the Center is working on: | ||
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* [slides](./2023-10-17-seb.pdf) | ||
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His remarks were based on the Center's more detailed Q3 | ||
quarterly activity report: | ||
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* [report](https://scala.epfl.ch/records/2023-Q3-activity-report.html) | ||
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And the Center's Q4 roadmap: | ||
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* [roadmap](https://scala.epfl.ch/records/2023-Q4-roadmap.html) | ||
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The following notes do not repeat the content of the report and | ||
roadmap, but only supplement them. | ||
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Eugene suggested that the Center do more to make sure that these | ||
activities and plans are known to the community, including to "CTO | ||
level" people. Even quite short blog posts can be beneficial for this, | ||
he suggested. Seb and Darja both agreed that there should be more | ||
publicity outside of the Scala contributors forum, though it's | ||
challenging with the current smaller team. Darja also reminded the | ||
board that posts on the Scala blog don't always need to originate from | ||
the Center. Depending on the subject matter, posts from member | ||
companies and from the wider community are welcome. | ||
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Chris asked if the Center looks at download numbers and uses that | ||
information to help decide what to work on. Seb said yes, they do. | ||
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Eugene asked about the work on improved stack traces: is it for Scala | ||
3 only? Seb said it works on Scala 2 as well, but the improvements are | ||
more dramatic on Scala 3, because TASTy can be used. Seth mentioned | ||
that the team at Lightbend is considering helping to bring this work | ||
to Scala 2 users. | ||
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## Management report | ||
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Darja presented this section. | ||
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Scala Days Madrid was a Q3 highlight. Center staff gave three talks | ||
and sat on two panels. The Center had a booth for outreach and | ||
fundraising. In addition to co-organizing the conference itself (with | ||
Xebia Functional), the Center also co-organized associated events like | ||
ScalaBridge, the Scala open source spree, an all-day tooling summit, | ||
an in-person SIP meeting, and an advisory board (and SIP) dinner. | ||
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Scala Days allows the Center to raise awareness of the Center, meet | ||
the community, receive feedback, gather fundraising leads, and | ||
encourage community activity such as meetups. | ||
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Staff changes at the Center this quarter: Chris's Lunatech-sponsored | ||
stint at the Center has ended. Guillaume Martres has taken a job in | ||
industry, though he will stay involved with Scala 3 compiler work | ||
part-time. These interns completed their stints: Lucas Nouguier, Ayman | ||
Lamyaghri, Shiv Verkaran. Sylvie Buchard has left the Center, after | ||
many years of part-time service; the Center has hired Valerie Meillaud | ||
to replace her (also part-time). | ||
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The rest of Darja's remarks were about budget and fundraising. She | ||
outlined the Center's fundraising strategy and presented worst-case | ||
and best-case budget scenarios, depending on funding. The Center will | ||
likely finish the year in the red, but it's not clear yet by how | ||
much. In order to grow the team again, new member companies are | ||
needed. Membership regulation changes are under consideration. Some | ||
other sources of funds are also being explored. She noted that the | ||
financial climate is currently difficult industry-wide. | ||
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A board member asked about accepting direct donations from | ||
individuals. Darja said these will be accepted through the "Scala | ||
shop", when it opens. | ||
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A board member asked about Scala 2 vs Scala 3. Could the Center's | ||
focus on Scala 3 be a negative for fundraising, as many companies are | ||
still on Scala 2? Some discussion ensued. Note that some of the | ||
Center's work already spans both versions, and that proposals | ||
involving Scala 2 are welcome. In its fundraising efforts, the Center | ||
could remind prospective members of this. | ||
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## Scala 2 report | ||
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This was presented by Lukas. | ||
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Since the last meeting, Scala 2.13.12 was released, with the most | ||
notable change being support for quickfixes (aka "actionable | ||
diagnostics"). They are supported in Metals and support is coming soon | ||
in IntelliJ. The compiler can also directly apply the fixes it | ||
suggests. Another notable change is that `-Xsource:3` errors can be | ||
downgraded to warnings or silenced entirely. The release also supports | ||
JDK 21, which is an LTS release. | ||
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The following forum threads are open for discussing the contents | ||
and timing of the next releases: | ||
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* [Scala 2.13.13](https://contributors.scala-lang.org/t/scala-2-13-13-release-planning/6315) | ||
* [Scala 2.12.19](https://contributors.scala-lang.org/t/scala-2-12-19-release-planning/6216) | ||
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Chris asked about quickfixes versus Scalafix. When is it appropriate | ||
for fixes to be compiler-based versus Scalafix-based? Lukas | ||
acknowledged that there is overlap, but he noted that Scalafix is | ||
user-extensible. | ||
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## Community report | ||
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Eugene said the community has largely been "peaceful". There are | ||
encouraging signs of local meetups coming back to life in London, | ||
Tokyo, and elsewhere. The Northeast Scala Symposium has restarted and | ||
will be virtual this year. However, there is community concern about | ||
the Scala job market, especially considering that the job market | ||
industry-wide is currently challenging, given recent layoffs at many | ||
companies, including major Scala users such as Twitter. It is | ||
difficult to distinguish the climate for Scala job seekers | ||
specifically from the job market generally. | ||
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He mentioned strong ongoing community-based interest in Bazel and | ||
improvements to its Scala support. | ||
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Chris asked about the role of the community representative(s). Are | ||
they intended to represent the open-source community specifically, or | ||
the Scala community more generally? Are we doing enough to encourage | ||
proposals to be submitted through this channel? Eugene said he is | ||
interested in hearing input from everyone, but he sees his own role as | ||
representing open source primarily, since companies are free (and | ||
encouraged) to join the board instead. He also said that since the | ||
Center's engineers can't themselves do everything the community wants, | ||
perhaps the Center could organize working groups to help the community | ||
to self-organize to accomplish certain goals. | ||
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Several board members mentioned how crucial it is for Scala's success | ||
(including Scala 3's success specifically) that IntelliJ's Scala | ||
support be high qualtiy. | ||
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Chris invited board members to share feedback about Scala Days Madrid. | ||
One board member said they were pleasantly surprised by how many new | ||
and diverse faces were present and reminded us (to general agreement) | ||
that it's important to keep the conference a good experience for | ||
newcomers as well as veterans. | ||
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Darja invited the board to help produce content for the Scala blog. | ||
Posts don't always have to be written by Center staff. She also | ||
mentioned the idea of using the blog to alert the community to news | ||
and posts sourced elsewhere. A board member asked about news sites | ||
such as The Scala Times and This Week in Scala; could those be carried | ||
on the Scala blog? Darja said she'd think about whether there's a path | ||
for something like that, to help get more Scala news out to more | ||
people. Two board members mentioned the possibility of using the blog | ||
to let the community about new libraries. And it was noted that some | ||
of the Center's activities get publicized on the contributors' forum | ||
only but might be of wider interest. | ||
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## Elections | ||
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For chairperson, Chris Kipp indicated his willingness to continue as | ||
chair and was re-elected unanimously. (Chairs are not expected to | ||
serve for longer than one year, but a willing chair is welcome to | ||
serve for longer. The chair not need be a voting board member.) | ||
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Also re-elected without any other nominations being made were Martin | ||
Odersky (technical advisor) and Seth Tisue (secretary). | ||
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## Conclusion | ||
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Because of December holidays, a likely time for the next meeting is | ||
early or mid January. Chris said he'll try to schedule all of the | ||
2024 meetings soon, rather than wait and schedule them a quarter | ||
at a time. |
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