Setting up ideU

[germona]

Somehow i can not get anything to work on Manjaro linux.
I have tried the normal ide, so i first deleted the .ide folder in my home directory.
Then restarted my computer and downloaded the
ideU_2_16_0_linux_amd64.zip and
mseide-msegui-main.zip
Then i both unzipped them in the /home/..../Downloads folder.
Then with the file browser browsed to the Downloads/mseide-msegui-main/apps/demo/ folder.
Selected the file demo.prj file, open with, then browsed to the Downloads/ideU_lin64/ folder and selected the executable ideU.
When i then select Project/Make i get an error.

Free Pascal Compiler version 3.2.2 [2024/05/01] for x86_64
Copyright (c) 1993-2021 by Florian Klaempfl and others
Target OS: Linux for x86-64
Compiling demo.pas
demo.pas(4,52) Fatal: Can't find unit msegui used by demo
Fatal: Compilation aborted

What am i doing wrong?
Thanks.

[fredvs]

Hello Germona.

Did you set the directory of mseide-msegui source (see picture)?

For mseide, in menu Settings, value of ${MSEDIR}:

For ideu, menu Settings/General Settings, value of ${MSEDIR}:

[fredvs]

Re-hello Germona.

It is possible that with last version of gdb (the debuger), when you try to debug via the mseide form-debugger, it will crash the system.
The same with ideU.

I did not jump yet into the problem, but it seems that now gdb needs new command to disable download debug files (their new feature by default).

When using the debugger-form of MSEide (the [> ] button), it will first compile the app then try to run it via gdb-debugger and will crash MSEide.

With ideU you may disable the debugger and run it without gdb.

So if it is the case for you, at the moment for debuging use gdb via a terminal.

[fredvs]

About the last gdb 16.2 that is not compatible with MSEide/ideU, here gdb 16.2 compiled with --disable-debuginfod.
https://github.com/fredvs/gdb_nodebuginfod/releases
With this one, gdb will not try to download the debug files of all the C dependencies and should work with the IDE.
(asset gdb-16-2_no-debuginfod.zip)

[germona]

Thank you Fred,
I have downloaded the two files, but after unzipping, where do i have to place them?

[fredvs]

The files of gdb patched?
You need only gdb-16-2_no-debuginfod.zip, the other is the source files.
Where you want, for example in your user folder, /home/germona/

Unzip it, there is only one file: the binary of gdb.

Then, in the menu Settings/General Settings form, choose it as debugger.

[germona]

Thank you Fred,

Things are going better.

Just one more question, is it possible that after Make , Building and running, the executable that is created will not automatically be loaded, like in Delphi or Lazarus?

[fredvs]

Yes of course.

For ideU, once you have compiled with clicking on the compile button:

You may choose to run it with or without debugger:
Click on the debug button and choose to run with debugger:

Re-click on the button it you want to run without debugger:

And to run your app, press F9 or click on the run button:

For MSEide, use the run/compile button of the debugger form or press F9. With MSEide the debugger is always used to run the app, no disable debugger is allowed.

[fredvs]

RE-hello.

Hum, maybe I did not understand your question, if so please explain more.

[germona]

Hello,
When i click on the green triangle button in Delphi or Lazarus, the application will compile/debug AND run.
So i can immediately see the changes i have made in the code editor.
Is this possible in ideU?

[fredvs]

Hello.

It is the case with MSEide, you click on the green triangle and it will compile+run with debugging.

For ideU, it was disabled, you compile with the gear-icon and run after with the green triangle or F9.
I did disable the automatic build+run because I did not like it.
Now if it want it for ideU, I can add a option for this (maybe).

[fredvs]

Re-hello.

I just checked ideU to see what is done.
So if you have debugger enabled, when you click on the run green-triangle button, it will do like MSEide/Lazarus/Delphi, compile + run (the first time if nothing was already compiled, it will only compile, once compiled it will do compile+run).

If you want I can add a option in Extra Settings to run the app after compiling (using the compile-gearbox button) and this with or without debugger. (but asap, I am full of work)

[germona]

Thanks Fred,
There is really no rush, take your time, i just wanted to know how it works.
Have a nice day.
Jean

[fredvs]

Hello Germona.

OK, I found some seconds to do it.
In last commit, there is a new option in Settings/Extra Settings.

When checked, after compilation (click on the pink gear button), the application will run (or debug if enabled).

Here the binary compiled for Linux x86_64 64 bit.
ideU.zip

Unzip it and copy/replace it in the directory of the release (usually /ideU_lin64/).

[fredvs]

Hello Jean.

I am so sorry that everything did not work "out-of-the-box".
I just did try to download BGRABitmap source from https://github.com/bgrabitmap/bgrabitmap/releases

First I did download the source code.zip.
It downloaded OK the zip file bgrabitmap-11.6.3.zip.
Then I did try to "extract here" the zip file and get this error (see picture):

Then I did download the source code tar.gz, it downloaded and "extract here" was ok.

Do you get the same kind of error?
If so, indeed there is a problem with the bgrabitmap-11.6.3.zip file and I will create a BGRABitmap issue.

Could you try with the bgrabitmap-11.6.3.tar.gz file if all is ok, download, un-compress, set this directory for ideU/Settings and try the mseuniverse-bgrabitmap-fractal tree demo?

Thanks.

PS: I just have try to download the last commit of bgrabitmap: https://github.com/bgrabitmap/bgrabitmap/archive/refs/heads/master.zip

It downloaded ok but unzip gives same error in my Debian OS.
Do you get the same problem too?

PS2: I did try to download the release source code .zip from other Github site (MSEide-MSEgui, StrumPract, uos, ...) and all download ok and all unzip ok. So, for my system, there is problem with the zip files generated by Github BGRABitmap site.

[fredvs]

Re-hello.

Hum, the zip file cannot be extracted when using the right-button "extract here", but doing it via the terminal:

$ unzip /home/fred/Downloads/bgrabitmap-master.zip

There is that message but it is not a error:

finishing deferred symbolic links:
  bgrabitmap-master/test/layeroriginal/layeroriginal.app/Contents/MacOS/layeroriginal -> ../../../layeroriginal

The extraction is ok and using /home/fred/Downloads/bgrabitmap-master for ideU/Settings/General Settings/ BGRABitmap DIR is ok to compile Fractral Tree demo.

[germona]

Fred,
I could unzip the zipfile via terminal, but after compiling the Fractal Tree demo i get the error
fractal_tree.pas(13,3) Fatal: Can't find unit msegui used by demo

[fredvs]

fractraltreecompile.mp4

[fredvs]

Also, use the type of compilation = 1

[germona]

Ok Fred,
The type of compilation = 1 and it compiles now, but does not run although i have set the default debugger to the one you have send. Maybe there is something else wrong with my settings....see attachement.

[fredvs]

Ha, you are using Appimage from a external media.
I never try it but it should work.

When compiling, is the result OK?
What are the last messages?

Did you try to run it with debugger off?

Click on the debug icon (the ladybug) to disable it and then click on the green triangle.

[fredvs]

For the debugger, can you try if it works on console?

Just open a terminal and do (use the path where gdb is stored):

$ /media/jean/backup/AppImages/fakeLAZARUS/gdb_no-debuginfod/gdb

I did not try it on Manjaro, maybe some dependencies are missing?
Also, did you set gdb as executable (usually, right click on gdb, then Properties, Permission --> Set as executable).

[germona]

Hello Fred,
The warnings i get after compiling are the same as with Lazarus.
fractal_tree.pas(18,1) Warning: "crtbeginS.o" not found, this will probably cause a linking failure
fractal_tree.pas(18,1) Warning: "crtendS.o" not found, this will probably cause a linking failure
In Lazarus i can fix that with Project/Opties/Compileropties/paden
and point to the path where the two files are stored.
I don't know if that is also possible in ideU.

The gdb is executable.
For some strange reason after a restart of my computer everything seems to work.
So for now everything OK.

Thanks for your time.
Jean

[fredvs]

Hello Jean.

I am happy that you get finally something working.
For the warning crtbeginS.o" not found:

In Project Options, tab "Make" "Directories" add the path of the crtbeginS.o of your system (see picture).

[fredvs]

For simple demos, you may take a look at the demos of Roland: #68

[germona]

Hello Fred,
Thanks for the simple demos of Roland, that was what i was looking for.
The trick with the path works for the current project, but not systemwide. So if i open another project, the warning is there again. NO big deal though.
Jean

[fredvs]

With MSEide/ideU all the configuration is in the Project Options and each project has his own Project Options.
So if you want it for other projects, you will need to update the Make/Directory for each project.