diff --git a/packages/apps/chat-app/src/components/Chat/Detail/ChatInfo.tsx b/packages/apps/chat-app/src/components/Chat/Detail/ChatInfo.tsx
index 3517f8c4a..f2b541963 100644
--- a/packages/apps/chat-app/src/components/Chat/Detail/ChatInfo.tsx
+++ b/packages/apps/chat-app/src/components/Chat/Detail/ChatInfo.tsx
@@ -29,6 +29,7 @@ export const ChatInfo = ({
   const target = usePortal('modal-container');
 
   const loggedOnIdentity = useDotYouClientContext().getLoggedInIdentity();
+  if (!loggedOnIdentity) return null;
   const conversationContent = conversation.fileMetadata.appData.content;
   const recipients = conversationContent.recipients.filter(
     (recipient) => recipient !== loggedOnIdentity
diff --git a/packages/apps/chat-app/src/components/Chat/Starred/StarredChatMessages.tsx b/packages/apps/chat-app/src/components/Chat/Starred/StarredChatMessages.tsx
index a2bb9314b..a984cc8e7 100644
--- a/packages/apps/chat-app/src/components/Chat/Starred/StarredChatMessages.tsx
+++ b/packages/apps/chat-app/src/components/Chat/Starred/StarredChatMessages.tsx
@@ -1,6 +1,5 @@
 import {
   ActionGroup,
-  AuthorImage,
   AuthorName,
   CHAT_ROOT_PATH,
   ConnectionImage,
diff --git a/packages/apps/community-app/src/components/Auth/ExtendCirclePermissionDialog.tsx b/packages/apps/community-app/src/components/Auth/ExtendCirclePermissionDialog.tsx
index 930af0c4f..78a4146df 100644
--- a/packages/apps/community-app/src/components/Auth/ExtendCirclePermissionDialog.tsx
+++ b/packages/apps/community-app/src/components/Auth/ExtendCirclePermissionDialog.tsx
@@ -71,7 +71,7 @@ const useCommunityAccessVerifier = (
     }
   });
 
-  if (!circleHasAccess) {
+  if (!circleHasAccess && loggedOnIdentity) {
     const extendUrl = getExtendCirclePermissionUrl(
       loggedOnIdentity,
       '',
diff --git a/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/messages/useCommunityMessage.ts b/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/messages/useCommunityMessage.ts
index 1e1f7572d..413163d10 100644
--- a/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/messages/useCommunityMessage.ts
+++ b/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/messages/useCommunityMessage.ts
@@ -174,7 +174,7 @@ export const useCommunityMessage = (props?: {
       ...updatedChatMessage,
     };
     const identity = dotYouClient.getLoggedInIdentity();
-    if (identity !== updatedChatMessage.fileMetadata.originalAuthor) {
+    if (identity && identity !== updatedChatMessage.fileMetadata.originalAuthor) {
       transformedMessage.fileMetadata.appData.content.collaborators = Array.from(
         new Set([
           ...(updatedChatMessage.fileMetadata.appData.content.collaborators || []),
@@ -294,7 +294,7 @@ export const useCommunityMessage = (props?: {
       onMutate: async ({ updatedChatMessage, community }) => {
         const transformedMessage = { ...updatedChatMessage };
         const identity = dotYouClient.getLoggedInIdentity();
-        if (identity !== updatedChatMessage.fileMetadata.originalAuthor) {
+        if (identity && identity !== updatedChatMessage.fileMetadata.originalAuthor) {
           transformedMessage.fileMetadata.appData.content.collaborators = Array.from(
             new Set([
               ...(updatedChatMessage.fileMetadata.appData.content.collaborators || []),
diff --git a/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/status/useMyStatus.ts b/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/status/useMyStatus.ts
index 6b968543f..416db01f0 100644
--- a/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/status/useMyStatus.ts
+++ b/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/status/useMyStatus.ts
@@ -14,7 +14,11 @@ export const useMyStatus = (props: {
   const queryClient = useQueryClient();
 
   const fetchMyStatus = async (community: HomebaseFile<CommunityDefinition>) => {
-    return await getStatus(dotYouClient, community, odinId || dotYouClient.getLoggedInIdentity());
+    return await getStatus(
+      dotYouClient,
+      community,
+      odinId || dotYouClient.getLoggedInIdentity() || ''
+    );
   };
 
   const setMyStatus = async ({
diff --git a/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/threads/useCommunityThreads.ts b/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/threads/useCommunityThreads.ts
index 62b42a39a..143a9040b 100644
--- a/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/threads/useCommunityThreads.ts
+++ b/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/threads/useCommunityThreads.ts
@@ -100,7 +100,9 @@ export const useCommunityThreads = ({
     );
 
     return (
-      allThreadMeta.filter((meta) => meta && meta.participants.includes(identity)) as ThreadMeta[]
+      allThreadMeta.filter(
+        (meta) => meta && identity && meta.participants.includes(identity)
+      ) as ThreadMeta[]
     ).sort((a, b) => b.lastMessageCreated - a.lastMessageCreated);
   };
 
diff --git a/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/useCommunityMemberUpdater.ts b/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/useCommunityMemberUpdater.ts
index 7edee546e..bb94ed630 100644
--- a/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/useCommunityMemberUpdater.ts
+++ b/packages/apps/community-app/src/hooks/community/useCommunityMemberUpdater.ts
@@ -21,7 +21,10 @@ export const useCommunityMemberUpdater = (
   useEffect(() => {
     if (!membersFetched || !community || !isAdmin || !communityCircleId) return;
 
-    const circleMembers = [...(members?.map((member) => member.domain) || []), loggedOnIdentity];
+    const circleMembers = [
+      ...(members?.map((member) => member.domain) || []),
+      loggedOnIdentity,
+    ].filter(Boolean) as string[];
     const communityMembers = community.fileMetadata.appData.content.members || [];
 
     if (
diff --git a/packages/apps/community-app/src/providers/CommunityStatusProvider.ts b/packages/apps/community-app/src/providers/CommunityStatusProvider.ts
index 1220059e0..3d84b53ba 100644
--- a/packages/apps/community-app/src/providers/CommunityStatusProvider.ts
+++ b/packages/apps/community-app/src/providers/CommunityStatusProvider.ts
@@ -37,7 +37,7 @@ export const setStatus = async (
   const currentStatus = await internalGetStatus(
     dotYouClient,
     community,
-    dotYouClient.getLoggedInIdentity()
+    dotYouClient.getLoggedInIdentity() || ''
   );
 
   const newStatus: NewHomebaseFile<CommunityStatus> = {
@@ -67,7 +67,7 @@ const internalSaveStatusFile = async (
   const targetDrive = getTargetDriveFromCommunityId(
     community.fileMetadata.appData.uniqueId as string
   );
-  const uniqueId = toGuidId(dotYouClient.getLoggedInIdentity());
+  const uniqueId = toGuidId(dotYouClient.getLoggedInIdentity() || '');
   const metedata: UploadFileMetadata = {
     versionTag: status?.fileMetadata.versionTag,
     allowDistribution: true,
diff --git a/packages/apps/mail-app/src/components/Composer/MailComposer.tsx b/packages/apps/mail-app/src/components/Composer/MailComposer.tsx
index ca719a543..2893bbfe7 100644
--- a/packages/apps/mail-app/src/components/Composer/MailComposer.tsx
+++ b/packages/apps/mail-app/src/components/Composer/MailComposer.tsx
@@ -78,7 +78,7 @@ export const MailComposer = ({
             message: [],
             originId: originId || getNewId(),
             threadId: threadId || getNewId(),
-            sender: loggedOnIdentity,
+            sender: loggedOnIdentity || '',
             forwardedMailThread,
             deliveryStatus: MailDeliveryStatus.NotSent,
           },
diff --git a/packages/apps/public-app/src/components/ConnectionActions/ConnectLink/ConnectLink.tsx b/packages/apps/public-app/src/components/ConnectionActions/ConnectLink/ConnectLink.tsx
index 8baa73854..1ac49768e 100644
--- a/packages/apps/public-app/src/components/ConnectionActions/ConnectLink/ConnectLink.tsx
+++ b/packages/apps/public-app/src/components/ConnectionActions/ConnectLink/ConnectLink.tsx
@@ -7,10 +7,13 @@ const ConnectLink = ({ className }: { className: string }) => {
   const isAuthenticated = dotYouClient.isAuthenticated();
   const isOwner = dotYouClient.isOwner();
 
-  const host = new DotYouClient({
-    hostIdentity: dotYouClient.getLoggedInIdentity(),
-    api: ApiType.Guest,
-  }).getRoot();
+  const loggedOnIdentity = dotYouClient.getLoggedInIdentity();
+  const host = loggedOnIdentity
+    ? new DotYouClient({
+        hostIdentity: loggedOnIdentity,
+        api: ApiType.Guest,
+      }).getRoot()
+    : undefined;
 
   const { data: securityContext } = useSecurityContext(undefined, isAuthenticated).fetch;
   const isConnected =
diff --git a/packages/common/common-app/src/permissions/CirclePermissionView/CirclePermissionView.tsx b/packages/common/common-app/src/permissions/CirclePermissionView/CirclePermissionView.tsx
index 9a77402db..4b2e73ee2 100644
--- a/packages/common/common-app/src/permissions/CirclePermissionView/CirclePermissionView.tsx
+++ b/packages/common/common-app/src/permissions/CirclePermissionView/CirclePermissionView.tsx
@@ -38,6 +38,7 @@ export const CirclePermissionView = ({
     stringGuidsEqual(circleDef.id, AUTO_CONNECTIONS_CIRCLE_ID);
 
   if (!circleDef) return null;
+  if (!loggedInIdentity) return null;
 
   const LinkWrapper = ({ children, className }: { children: ReactNode; className: string }) =>
     onClick ? (
diff --git a/packages/common/common-app/src/socialFeed/Blocks/Meta/Meta.tsx b/packages/common/common-app/src/socialFeed/Blocks/Meta/Meta.tsx
index fb928c745..36d51e241 100644
--- a/packages/common/common-app/src/socialFeed/Blocks/Meta/Meta.tsx
+++ b/packages/common/common-app/src/socialFeed/Blocks/Meta/Meta.tsx
@@ -190,6 +190,7 @@ const ExternalActions = ({
     getReportContentUrl,
   } = useManageSocialFeed({ odinId });
 
+  if (!loggedOnIdentity) return null;
   const host = new DotYouClient({ api: ApiType.Guest, hostIdentity: loggedOnIdentity }).getRoot();
   const options: ActionGroupOptionProps[] = [
     {
@@ -286,10 +287,12 @@ const GroupChannelActions = ({
   const hostIdentity = useDotYouClientContext().getHostIdentity();
 
   const isAuthor = postFile.fileMetadata.originalAuthor === loggedOnIdentity;
-  const host = new DotYouClient({
-    api: ApiType.Guest,
-    hostIdentity: loggedOnIdentity,
-  }).getRoot();
+  const host = loggedOnIdentity
+    ? new DotYouClient({
+        api: ApiType.Guest,
+        hostIdentity: loggedOnIdentity,
+      }).getRoot()
+    : undefined;
 
   const {
     removeFromFeed: { mutateAsync: removeFromMyFeed },
@@ -316,7 +319,7 @@ const GroupChannelActions = ({
       },
     });
 
-    if (isAuthor) {
+    if (isAuthor && host) {
       options.push({
         icon: Pencil,
         label: t(
diff --git a/packages/common/common-app/src/socialFeed/Blocks/Meta/OwnerActions.tsx b/packages/common/common-app/src/socialFeed/Blocks/Meta/OwnerActions.tsx
index 6bc960c61..4b17e9c13 100644
--- a/packages/common/common-app/src/socialFeed/Blocks/Meta/OwnerActions.tsx
+++ b/packages/common/common-app/src/socialFeed/Blocks/Meta/OwnerActions.tsx
@@ -31,6 +31,7 @@ export const OwnerActions = ({
   const { mutateAsync: editPost } = useManagePost().update;
 
   const navigate = useNavigate();
+  if (!loggedOnIdentity) return null;
   const host = new DotYouClient({ api: ApiType.Guest, hostIdentity: loggedOnIdentity }).getRoot();
 
   return (
diff --git a/packages/libs/js-lib/src/core/DotYouClient.ts b/packages/libs/js-lib/src/core/DotYouClient.ts
index 3d22378cb..130a9f5ae 100644
--- a/packages/libs/js-lib/src/core/DotYouClient.ts
+++ b/packages/libs/js-lib/src/core/DotYouClient.ts
@@ -49,8 +49,12 @@ export class BaseDotYouClient {
     );
   }
 
-  getLoggedInIdentity(): string {
-    return this._options?.loggedInIdentity || this.getHostIdentity();
+  getLoggedInIdentity(): string | undefined {
+    return this._options?.loggedInIdentity ||
+      this.getType() === ApiType.Owner ||
+      this.getType() === ApiType.App
+      ? this.getHostIdentity()
+      : undefined;
   }
 
   isOwner(): boolean {