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"sid": "8qnode",
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/",
"title:": "Why didn't you hire them?",
"text": "Reading some of the stories on here from people who didn't get picked up this round, I thought it may be useful to have a thread of stories about why we didn't hire certain candidates. If nothing else, it may help a few people some perspective on the hiring committee and their decisions.\n\nEdit: some great responses here and good insight from various institutions and disciplines. ",
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"e0kt17m": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0kt17m/",
"text": "One guy we I interviewed failed the lunch test\u2014never had that happen before. The waitress made a minor mistake on his order and he blew up, demanding that the make it right. This was a very good restaurant and they of course were going to make it right. Then as I was planning to pay the check, he said can I have some more? Of course we said yes, and they got him a second entree. When we returned to the school I found out that he had been rude to the secretaries. We don\u2019t need someone that lacks common social graces.",
"author": "beaubaez",
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"e0l3ihr": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l3ihr/",
"text": "My department didn't hire someone who was rude to office staff. If you treat people badly who you think are beneath you, you're not going to be easy to work with.",
"author": "hillary511",
"created": 1528866197,
"upvotes": 72,
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"e0l5doc": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l5doc/",
"text": "As I was leaving my PhD lab, the new grad student treated our tech like shit and that was the beginning of the end for her. I mean, it went much farther and deeper than just that, but it speaks to \"not easy to work with.\" \n\nAlso, who is mean to the office staff? That seems like shooting yourself in the foot. ",
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"e0lbnxv": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lbnxv/",
"text": "Rule 1 whenever I've started a new job is go and make friends with the office staff. Everything becomes so much easier :)",
"author": "OrbitalPete",
"created": 1528881461,
"upvotes": 32,
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"e0lxpsz": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lxpsz/",
"text": "Right? Every time I have a question or need something, the office staff have been so helpful and quick to get back to me. Makes everything so much easier!",
"author": "alexa-488",
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"e0lx1f5": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lx1f5/",
"text": "I dunno man he was vegan and yelled at them the vegan options weren't good enough or something? I live in a place with a lot of vegan options, so probably not true.",
"author": "hillary511",
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"e0l66ju": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l66ju/",
"text": "In all jobs, treat the admin/secretaries well! They do so much, and can make your life heaven/hell. ",
"author": "tpm319",
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},
"e0m6ggt": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0m6ggt/",
"text": ">When we returned to the school I found out that he had been rude to the secretaries. \n\nDeath knell there. Every single interaction with our support staff is a test...if they are rude/dismissive to anyone their candidacy is likely sunk. The last thing we need is some self\\-absorbed asshole colleague who antagonizes the people that make the place run smoothly.",
"author": "SnowblindAlbino",
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"e0kt4j6": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0kt4j6/",
"text": "Yikes. I felt that the cussing lady blew the lunch test too. ",
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"e0l3vpj": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l3vpj/",
"text": "Can I get an interview? I can do way better than that.",
"author": "airwalker12",
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"e0lt54q": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lt54q/",
"text": "The ironic part about this is that many of our students lack these \"social graces\" and most schools don't see it as enough of a priority to teach them when discussing career skills.",
"author": "ZenGuruji",
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"e0ltcqp": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0ltcqp/",
"text": "One school I taught at created a non-credit required etiquette class, teaching students things like table manners and how not to look at your phone during an interview.",
"author": "beaubaez",
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"e0n0zc0": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0n0zc0/",
"text": "My school had an (optional) formal dinner, where we were supposed to dress nicely and learn etiquette. The president of the school made a special trip to our campus to preside over the gathering. ",
"author": "NighthawkFoo",
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"e0ovnfq": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0ovnfq/",
"text": "High Point?",
"author": null,
"created": 1529022077,
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"replies": {
"e0p0snp": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0p0snp/",
"text": "I don't understand.",
"author": "NighthawkFoo",
"created": 1529027801,
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"e0p17hk": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0p17hk/",
"text": "They do this at High Point University. I was wondering if you go there. ",
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"e0p3qq4": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0p3qq4/",
"text": "Nope, sorry. ",
"author": "NighthawkFoo",
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"e0n3534": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0n3534/",
"text": "At my undergrad I recall a few acquaintances mentioning their frat/sorority had formal dining nights to help teach these skills. ",
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"e0l4edf": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l4edf/",
"text": "The candidate requested a spousal hire. Both the candidate and spouse were in the same field and did research on essentially the same thing; it would have meant appointing them both to our department. Imagine being in a Zoology Department and being asked to hire two people who study the wing structure of the Peruvian pelican (not the case, just an example!). \n\nWe didn\u2019t want to hire two people who studied exactly the same thing and there was also the problem that the spouse had an unimpressive CV and wouldn\u2019t have even made our long list. Sounds like an easy pass, you might think, but we were having a hard time as the candidate was really, really good (a superstar in her field) and we really, really wanted her. \n\nSo, we ended up offering the spouse a 3 year guaranteed adjunct position. They turned this down, saying they would only accept a TT position for the spouse and emphasized that he had a job offer from a very prestigious university (in another country) and that we would be lucky to hire them both. Having quite a few friends in that other university, I asked about the supposed job offer and discovered it didn\u2019t exist. That was the final straw - we ended negotiations and rescinded the offer. Even if you\u2019re a superstar candidate, pull a stunt like that and you\u2019ll be shown the door pretty quickly. \n\nEdit- typo",
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"e0l5vs1": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l5vs1/",
"text": "Well, it took some pretty hefty gonads to try and pull that one. I guess I'll give them credit for trying, but good grief was that in poor form.\n\nI wonder where they are now? Have you googled them?",
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"created": 1528869926,
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"e0la308": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0la308/",
"text": "The candidate was already in a TT position when she applied. She\u2019s still there. The spouse is listed as being at the same institution (but not same department) as the candidate, but only as a \u201cresearch associate\u201d in a quasi-academic unit geared more to dealing with the general public. ",
"author": "TheHandofDoge",
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"e0li7yc": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0li7yc/",
"text": "I'm glad that she's doing OK. Can't be easy have a dead weight husband wanting her to lift up his career like that. Also good on you for not putting up with the lies.",
"author": "phage10",
"created": 1528892946,
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"e0ms8fa": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0ms8fa/",
"text": "They said spouse, not husband...",
"author": "rvaducks",
"created": 1528934548,
"upvotes": -4,
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"e0p9g2a": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0p9g2a/",
"text": "Actually was a female/male couple with the male as the potential spousal hire, and he was her husband. But true, assumptions shouldn\u2019t be made (though I did refer to the spouse as \u201che\u201d. ",
"author": "TheHandofDoge",
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"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0kmi0s/",
"text": "Kicking off what will hopefully be a useful thread, these are some of the stories over the years about candidates who didn't get the job, and the reason why. We are a chemistry department at a large regional public university.\n\n* Lack of enthusiasm. We watched two candidates stand and look bored the entire time they gave a mock lecture. The content was fine, but it was painful to watch someone not move at all when giving a talk (and they had no disability that would prevent it as they walked around campus fine). If we were bored, how would students feel? I will point out that these individuals were both in excess of 400 pounds, but their lack of energy definitely turned us off.\n\n* Bad reference. A candidate rubbed someone the wrong way in the past, and asked them to be a reference. The reference looked good on the surface, but as soon as we asked them if they worked well with others, they said no. He was our first pick until then.\n\n* Lack of knowledge. I recently watched a mock general chemistry lecture full of wrong information. Everyone was shocked that someone with a PhD would know so little about very simple chemistry. Not only were there errors on the board (could happen from nerves) but also on the PowerPoint they prepared.\n\n* Lack of professionalism. I have watched a candidate brag about not using a briefcase/computer bag in lieu of their old ratty backpack from undergrad. This is what they brought to their interview. And then she proceeded to cuss her way through all her meetings. And she wasn't even dressed appropriately to tour the labs. \n\n* Not the right one. There was simply a better person that would fit our research needs better. This person was absolutely great, and we would have been happy with the hire, but we had a slightly better candidate that was first pick for research reasons. Had our first pick turned us down, they would have been offered the position.\n\n* Personality issue. We have a very large at-risk student population, and they are always in need of a little extra help. If you come off as someone that will be unapproachable, or someone that the students would be unwilling to seek help from, that's going to kick you out of our pool.\n\n* Mediocre job teaching. If you know your stuff, that doesn't mean you can teach it. We've seen several people who are able to hold a great conversation with other chemists, but were unable to communicate that knowledge at the front of the room. \n\n* They obviously don't want to be there. If you do nothing but talk 100% about how great your current institution is, don't interview with us. We aren't them.\n\nIf you notice, in our department we have never not given someone a job for research reasons. That would likely be different in more research-based programs, but my guess is that would all be weeded through before an actual site visit. If you are on the campus interviewing, you have a great shot at the job. \n\nWe've had candidates turn us down for about as many reasons as I have above. Even had one once turn down a gig in a sister department because we didn't have enough bike trails in town. Our cost of living is very low, we've been turned down for that. We've lost a few good ones because of pay. \n\nHope this info is at least moderately interesting to those of you on the market. ",
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"e0lpc1b": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lpc1b/",
"text": ">\u2022Lack of professionalism. I have watched a candidate brag about not using a briefcase/computer bag in lieu of their old ratty backpack from undergrad. This is what they brought to their interview.\n\nIs that really a thing in universities? It's 2018!! Even people older than 50 now use backpacks and not briefcases/computer bags! I don't even own a computer bag!",
"author": "lucaxx85",
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"e0lycf1": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lycf1/",
"text": "I think the issue is the \"ratty old\" descriptor of the backpack? There are some very nice and professional backpacks. Don't wear ratty clothes, or use ratty old bags to carry your stuff. Also, it's a strange thing to brag about lol\n",
"author": "alexa-488",
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"e0lyu8v": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lyu8v/",
"text": "Attire conventions depend (as you know) on field. In business and finance disciplines, a lot of departments still require their faculty to show up in suits and ties - and to teach, not just to interview.",
"author": "riggorous",
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"text": ">In business and finance disciplines, a lot of departments still require their faculty to show up in suits and ties \\- and to teach, not just to interview.\n\nAbsolutely\\-\\- you can pick out faculty on our campus based on their daily \"uniforms.\" The biologists are in jeans and flannel, the business school faculty are in suits every day. The political scientists are usually in chinos but wear suits any time an elected official is expected on campus. Meanwhile, we historians are the only ones still wearing tweed jackets with leather elbow patches.\n\nBut even the biologists dress professionally for job interviews.",
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"e0n23nz": {
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"text": "Colorful scarves on all-black outfits tend to indicate anthropology or art history.",
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"e0nguqc": {
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"text": "Don't forget jewelry from your field site and/or wooden jewelry in general. There's always a preponderance of corduroy and colorful tights at winter anthropology conferences.",
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"e0p1luf": {
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"text": "Found the anthropologist. I've actually heard people discussed negatively for \"being too formal\" at job interviews. A tattered backpack wouldn't have caused us to bat an eye in my department.",
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"e0p5xd9": {
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"text": "Ha, I'll confuse them then - I cycle through the spectrum, from full suit and tie to ripped jeans and band shirt",
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"text": "Interesting. My father (in his 60s) works as a sales expert for a huge company that deals directly with other big businesses. And he doesn't use ties anymore and he switched to the backpack like a years ago",
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"e0mifyg": {
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"text": "tell your dad i said hello, but wtf am i supposed to do with this information?",
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"e0my60e": {
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"text": "Build a canoe ",
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"e0m3nwk": {
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"text": "The backpack is fine. The fact is was disgusting and falling apart was not.",
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"text": "that is stupid. what relationship do you think there is between preferences for using old shit and being a good academic? \n\nall that was really communicated by that is that they don't respect that particular social norm. \n\ngod forbid someone prefers to reuse something rather than buy new shit to avoid ruffling your delicate feathers.",
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"text": "You may disagree with it, but social conventions are important. You also should wear nice clothing to an interview. You can absolutely abandon that convention and wear the cheap, poorly fitted suit you bought as a freshman for a funeral with white athletic socks, but people will look at you unfavorably for it and it may cost you the job. In the case with that applicant, she was a hot mess all around, and that was icing on the no cake.",
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"e0oqjdw": {
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"text": "they are important because we make them important. i'm not arguing with the fact that they exist and that we (you in this case) enforce them. but in many cases they are counterproductive to our ostensible goals. i think that this is a stupid one. ",
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"e0orfvu": {
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"text": "Well, again, it's not like this issue is what kept her from getting the job, but it was something that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way when she was bragging about using a falling apart bag that she had been using for a literal decade. \n\nIf you want a job, you need to make sure you present yourself as clean and put together in all respects. Your appearance should never stand out in a negative way. It's part of making a good first impression. My coat is covered in dog hair and I'm full of far more piercings than the average human, but I take a lint roller to my coat before an interview and remove my piercings.",
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"text": "i get what social conventions are. i'm just saying, when you are in the position to enforce them, think about whether they actually matter for what you are trying to achieve.\n\ni've had tt interviews (postdoc now) and i know how to play the game. the game is often quite stupid though.",
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"e0pt5s7": {
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"text": "> the game is often quite stupid though\n\nOh, wait until you have to play \"get tenure\" game. New levels of stupidity and conformity that make just getting a job look like child's play. I understand you want to change the system, but that takes a lot of time (and energy). I'd like to think I am contributing to that change, but it's a drop in the ocean.",
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"text": "I wouldn't disagree that it is trivial and stupid, but it is the way things are fine, so we still need to do them. Many years ago women couldn't wear pants to an interview and as it normalized, it became okay in interviewing. \n\nThe truth is, people that hire you are looking at a possible colleague for life, and you want to make sure they know how to be a good face to the department to outsiders. We literally ask, \"could we see ourselves working with this person for 30 years?\" When we interview them. How will they get by as positive representatives of the department if they look like they can't put themselves together?",
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"text": "no we don't need to do them. these are social constructs. we can change them whenever it suits us, just like the pants thing. there isn't anything particularly useful about suits, other than demonstrating that you \"play by the rules\" or are smart enough to know that people think of these rules as handed-down-from-on-high. the pants thing for women is ok because some people decided to not select against women who wore pants. and i'm sure some good women lost out because they decided to wear pants.\n\nso if you want good people you shouldn't pay attention to shit that doesn't strictly speaking matter. this is academia after all. i thought we were cool with \"different.\" apparently not so much eh? i gotta say that i was pretty disappointed when i really learned that this is the case. \n\nidk about you but i can see myself working with someone who \"can't put him/herself together\" in the sense you describe. ",
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"text": "Working on a day-to-day basis? Absolutely.\n\nHaving that person serve as a representative to the department for recruiting? Fund raising? Etc? Schmoozing with rich people to get more money for the school? Being a professor goes far past the classroom, and that's where it counts to follow social conventions because it is expected by our society as well as university administrators.\n\nProfessors are known for being eccentric in their personality and dress. They may have crazy hair, have too many piercings, or wear jeans to work every day with a ratty printed t-shirt. That's all fine. Nobody cares. But it IS important to dress up for certain things at the university, and showing that you know how in an interview is important. Of course, you can completely disregard any of that. I'm sure some schools don't care. Mine doesn't happen to be one of them.",
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"e0osszi": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0osszi/",
"text": "it doesn't seem like you get that you have agency here.",
"author": null,
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"e0ot1ou": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0ot1ou/",
"text": "Not if I want to keep my administrators happy. I want things like promotions.",
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"e0ot4sd": {
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"text": "lol if you say so. at least you know you are just a cog in the machine",
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"e0ot82u": {
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"text": "Yes, but I'm employed with great benefits, reasonable pay, and I have a fulfilling job with lots of vacation time. It's worth the trade-off. ",
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"e0p9zjr": {
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"text": "Do people wear suits to academic interviews in Chemistry? I've never worn a suit to an interview, and never seen someone wear one at a job talk or anything in my field (math/theoretical cs).",
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"e0paepq": {
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"text": "I see it about 80/20. I always wear suits to interviews and so do most of our applicants, but I've seen a few who didn't. We've hired both people who did and people who didn't.",
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"e0ojthf": {
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"text": "This interesting. I feel like half of my department carries old ratty bags. ",
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"e0okelp": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0okelp/",
"text": "But what you do every day is different than at an interview.",
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"e0okjcb": {
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"text": "That's absolutely true. I read your post out of context and was trying to defend my old lovely leather messenger bag with a ripped zipper :) ",
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"e0kvdkw": {
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"text": "I am curious what you mean by not dressed appropriately to tour the labs. Can you explain? \n\nAlso, how were you turned down for cost of living being too low?",
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"e0kw2e1": {
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"text": "If you show up to walk around a chemistry lab with high water pants and heels, that's not appropriate lab attire.\n\nAnd if you are used to living in California, and have normal levels of debt, you may not be able to afford to move to a low cost of living area because the salary won't be high enough to cover debt from a high col area.",
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"text": "[deleted]",
"author": null,
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"e0kydbh": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0kydbh/",
"text": "It depends on if you view salary in absolute amount or in ratio to average cost of living in the area.",
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"e0l0bxf": {
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"text": "I won't be pedantic about it, but it's the same difference. If they came from a low CoL area to ours, they wouldn't have a problem. Salary is tied 100% to CoL. \n\nWe actually have an issue with people not applying because of where we are located (not a big city in the Southeast). I feel like the number of applicants we get is much smaller than in other schools up north and west of us. ",
"author": null,
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"e0ly7ru": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0ly7ru/",
"text": "To be honest, I think there are a lot of cultural reasons besides salary and cost of living that affect the size of academic applicant pools for schools in small southern towns. Right or wrong, a candidate from the east or west coast would probably feel like 'not a big city' in Michigan or Ohio would be an easier cultural adjustment than 'not a big city' in Alabama or Mississippi, even if salary and cost of living were identical.",
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"e0ptpnx": {
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"text": "The people who would reject a position based on stereotype likely are incapable of overcoming their own biases. I moved to \"the South\" and was amazed at how diverse (and even progressive) a large number of people are. There are still times where I realize \"Oh, this is the South\" but mostly it's far more agreeable than one might expect.",
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"e0pv2hq": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0pv2hq/",
"text": "Do you feel the city or university town you're in is representative of the surrounding area?",
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"e0qmtg2": {
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"text": "Yes-ish. My small city is a university town, but it has three or four universities, plus several colleges. The county population is diverse and generally progressive (at least on most social issues; economic concerns tend to swing more conservatively). I have encountered a much larger array of ideas and personalities than I expected.\n\nThat said, my county is a bit of an outlier from the surrounding, much more rural counties that tend toward more homogeneity in population and thought and not as many economic opportunities as my county has. I'm definitely in a prosperous area. Of course, travel an hour either direction and you get to another area like mine (and even one with some serious urban sprawl).\n\nSo to be as accurate as possible, I may be in the south, but I am in a small city that is not solely dependent on the university to exist, nor am I in a tiny rural enclave. There is a wealth of unexpected diversity and I have found it fairly easy to find events I'm interested in and people I like to spend time with.",
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"e0ptjlf": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0ptjlf/",
"text": "I'm curious about your university now (and if you're recruiting biochemists any time soon). I'm in a medium-size SE city with a reasonable CoL but not terribly happy with my institution (we have a history of poor leadership from top to bottom). It's impacted my morale and motivation, so I think about other opportunities. Of course, I need to write the three papers I am sitting on first, but information like you have related helps me see the bigger picture. If nothing else, thanks for your perspective.",
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"e0q9lxy": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0q9lxy/",
"text": "I'm in Tennessee, but we just hired a biochemist this year. Now we have 3.5 biochemist and won't need another until someone retires or leaves.",
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"e0qma0c": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0qma0c/",
"text": "Thanks for the response. Wow, 3.5? I am the only one in my department. So... lonely... :) \n\nI'm in NC, and my set-up is mostly pretty nice. We just really, really need better leadership and support for the stated goals, instead of \"teach more classes -- grr.\"",
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"e0qn375": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0qn375/",
"text": "I have a lot of issues with our administration too, and a lot of the campus administrative staff is stepping down or leaving. It's the provost. He's a special kind of jerk to work for I've heard.",
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"text": "Was the backpack a problem for people?\n\nI have an old backpack I still use. I thought about replacing it, but the backpack is better for my back than a shoulder\\-bag and from an environmental standpoint I don't like the idea of tossing an okay backpack into a landfill for no good reason. I DO have a nice leather thing I can use for interviews, but it wouldn't hold a laptop easily.\n\nIt sounds like the candidate had a lot of other problems, though. I remember my boss fixating on a stupid little thing when we had a poor candidate come in. ",
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"text": "You don't need to toss the backpack. You just need to have a presentable option for interviews. Like, my backpack is nice and I still wouldn't carry it to an interview because it's not strictly formal attire. I use it at work no problem, but an interview is a more formal affair and people expect you to be dressed for it. Since you're not interviewing every day of your life, I don't think expecting you to wear some nice clothes for interviews is a hardship.",
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"e0m4i8z": {
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"text": "I understand. I just hadn't thought of my backpack as part of my clothes. And if someone interviewed at my company with an old backpack I'm not sure I would care, but I suppose it depends on whether it's an analyst job versus a more senior position.\n\nI've been looking at job sites but I have forgotten where my fancy leather bag is. I'll have to find it tonight!",
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"e0n285c": {
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"text": "You could donate an okay backpack to Goodwill or a school supply drive if it's still usable. ",
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"text": "I use a backpack for day to day, but I have a shoulder style / laptop bag for interviews and such. It just looks a bit more polished, and it can be a bit easier to stow in offices and such, rather than constantly having to unshoulder a bag.\n\nFewer wrinkles as well.",
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"e0m3m6l": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0m3m6l/",
"text": "You should always present yourself as well as possible, including not using a 10 year old frayed, dirty backpack to an interview for a professional job.",
"author": null,
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"e0m4jry": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0m4jry/",
"text": "What if I told you it's closer to 20 years, so it's like... vintage?\n\nEDIT: Also, not dirty. I ran it through the washing machine six months ago.",
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"e0m664m": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0m664m/",
"text": "Then I would suggest you run by a thrift store and buy a non-frayed/falling apart computer bag for $4.",
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"e0m7pmc": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0m7pmc/",
"text": "Actually, my leather briefcase might hold the small laptop I use these days. Best to check that out.\n\nI AM joking around and I won't be taking my old (but in good shape, really) backpack to job interviews. I will 100% remember to bring my nice briefcase or something similar to my next interview.",
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"e0m7ryu": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0m7ryu/",
"text": "Whew!",
"author": null,
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"e0m8pz8": {
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"text": "I got a little nervous thinking about what I brought to my last interview, but then I remembered I got the job, so it must have been my good bag.\n\nActually, since you've had a lot of good insights... I'm curious, how many people are bringing their laptop to the interview? I rarely carry around my laptop anymore, and if I need files I'll bring a USB stick or save something on the cloud and let the interviewer know I would prefer to borrow a laptop (if they can accommodate that, of course).",
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"e0n2cmg": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0n2cmg/",
"text": "I would never bring a laptop. The hassle of getting it connected, getting the screen resolution right, and probably screwing up the classroom's settings for the next person is just not worth it. (I've also started to lose patience with presenters who do this at conferences.) I bring a USB, but also store my presentation on at least two cloud sites (DropBox, Google Docs, etc.) and email it to myself. It takes 2 minutes and covers a lot of bases.",
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"text": ">I'm curious, how many people are bringing their laptop to the interview?\n\nI don't recall anyone having one with them all the time, but some bring them for the teaching demo and/or research talk. Most of them are Apple users, which is probably smart because we are a Windoze campus and their presentations don't always work well with our systems. Never seen anyone have one out during a meeting though.",
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"e0mh9jl": {
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"text": "Thanks",
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"e0mh0nu": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0mh0nu/",
"text": "Not many. I just put it on cloud storage.",
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"e0mh9cs": {
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"text": "Thanks.",
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"text": "Ah. Those make sense. Especially if you know you are touring chemistry labs, wear appropriate dress clothes. It also sends a message you are lax with safety. \n\nI'd didn't even think about the hit to finances from moving to low CoL from high. Good thing to think about. ",
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"e0l0em4": {
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"text": "Yup. It should be a no-brainer for a chemist.",
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"e0lc3ka": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lc3ka/",
"text": "> high water pants\n\nwow, TIL a fashion term on an academic sub",
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"e0n2gj9": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0n2gj9/",
"text": "A more up-to-date term would probably be skimmer or capri.",
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"e0ks5en": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0ks5en/",
"text": "What makes me sad about the list is the unqualified people that make it to interview stage, when there are other candidates who kick ass getting passed over. Cause the guy who doesn't actually know science looks good on paper. The way that searches are conducted do not necessarily lead to the right people being interviewed, and that is an injustice.",
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"e0ksnss": {
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"text": "If the qualified people aren't getting hired, they are either applying jobs that they aren't qualified for, or they aren't selling themselves on paper.\n\nThe way we do candidate searches is that every person in the department reads all applications, then we come together and discuss our top 10 choices. Our of dozens of people, we usually all have the same top 5. If we saw one that we really liked and was passed by others at the table, we advocate for them and everyone sits together and looks at that person's packet again. \n\nIt's a very fair process, and if someone who is really good isn't getting picked it's because they were a shitty cover letter, etc... \n\nThe difference between an unqualified person that gets interviewed and a qualified person that doesn't is that the undersigned person knows how to sell their strengths. Then we find out they are full of it during their visit.",
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"e0l3z8w": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l3z8w/",
"text": "I had a nobel laureate tell me I should be getting professor jobs based on my CV. They even helped me edit it a bit.\n\nHave yet to get an in person faculty interview.\n\nEdit: Or phone interview for academia. Industry job hunt is going a bit better, but still on the hunt.",
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"e0l9vif": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l9vif/",
"text": "If they're a Nobel laureate, they're most likely old. And if they're old, the necessary requirements for positions have probably increased substantially since they were in your position.\n\nKeep trying though, you'll get there eventually.",
"author": "EmeraldIbis",
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"e0lg2rp": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lg2rp/",
"text": "'I had someone knowledgeable and graceful give me a confidence boost, and then they showed me where I had been going wrong in a way that made me not realise - even to this day - that that's what they were doing.'",
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"e0mbe92": {
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"text": "for real. this is a problem plaguing universities, esp (ironically) those that are most prestigious. the faculty get older and older and more out of touch. \n\none of my faculty has a goddamn macarthur fellowship and still has no idea how to teach a basic methods course. won't even introduce such a course into our curriculum. ",
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"e0m18dq": {
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"text": "Thanks man. \n\nLots of interviews on the horizon (in industry), which I am just as excited about.",
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"e0l5rzc": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l5rzc/",
"text": "You have gotten phone interviews?",
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"e0l6q7t": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l6q7t/",
"text": "Nope.\n\nFor biotech industry research positions, yes I have gotten a lot of hits. Very active in the process, even debating some offers.\n\nFor assistant prof jobs..... Crickets.",
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"e0l6rfb": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l6rfb/",
"text": "I'm guessing you were applying at R1 schools? ",
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"e0l6t73": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l6t73/",
"text": "Yeah. Seems to be the only way the NIH is going to give me enough money to do the research I want to do.",
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"e0l74jo": {
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"text": "Yeah. Those jobs are incredibly competitive. A friend of mine did that route for I think 4 review cycles and finally took a lab director job at an ivy instead. ",
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"e0p9ujn": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0p9ujn/",
"text": "Out of curiosity, was that Nobel laureate Holmstr\u00f6m? A buddy of mine told me that someone with an impressive cv and Holmstr\u00f6m as one of their *references* got turned down for a job under some pretty suspicious circs.",
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"e0p9wy6": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0p9wy6/",
"text": "Nope, not me. \n\nI am in an entirely different field (I had to Google Holmstr\u00f6m)",
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"e0lc07n": {
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"text": "That's just the way the job search works in any field, including mcdonalds serving. It's impossible to capture everything of interest in the written application, which is why people conduct interviews - and why they reject a lot of candidates after the interviews. It's not so much an injustice as a limitation of human abilities. We are not after all telepathic.",
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"e0lkeby": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lkeby/",
"text": "Yes, that is true, but McDonald's conducts many interviews for one position, whereas universities interview 3 people. ",
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"e0lliuf": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lliuf/",
"text": "arguably, mcdonald's requires many fewer on-paper qualifications and competencies than postgraduate level teaching and research",
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"e0lm75i": {
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"text": "Yes, but then I would argue that many more applicants have the required competencies than 3, or even 8. Clearly if someone who makes it to interview stage who doesn't actually know science, then the competencies and experience that they are able to show lie in some way, or the committee has a huge blind spot like some bias for a particular institution that lets people like this get past many rounds and make it to the interview stage. There is really no point in arguing further, but committees are made up of fallible human beings, and hiring practices are not scientific or fair. Failed searches show this well: the committee did a bad job of picking and no one is suitable. Bias plays a big role, and the sooner we realize this, the sooner we can fix it. I am dismayed that people want to argue that hiring practices are well and good. Committees do their best, but there is a lot of injustice in the end. We can all work to make the process better.",
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"e0lpc1s": {
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"text": "I think you're mostly right and I don't want to argue. I wish hiring practices had less biases. \n\nMy most irritating story of hiring managers was when my ex\\-wife was applying for research assistant positions and it was very competitive in the market, so I went to talk to our hiring manager. She said if the prof asked for 10 applicants to look into, she would go through applicants until she got 10 qualified applicants and then stop reviewing. Why review more applications when you've achieved what the prof wanted?",
"author": "rzr101",
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"e0lxi7i": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lxi7i/",
"text": "I never said that hiring practices are well and good, so you can put down your pitchfork. I said that these are the hiring practices in virtually every industry. You're not getting far with arguing that resumes are wrong and that people should be designing hiring procedures that don't let any unqualified people through to the interview stage because that point of view is unrealistic and out of touch.\n\nIt is entirely possible that the committee is biased towards a particular institution (and that bias may or may not have grounds in reality, fyi) and no one is arguing that committees are not made up of fallible human beings. But that some unqualified candidates make it to interviews is a fact of life. If they didn't, we wouldn't need interviews.",
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"e0lvgch": {
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"text": "> Bad reference. A candidate rubbed someone the wrong way in the past, and asked them to be a reference. The reference looked good on the surface, but as soon as we asked them if they worked well with others, they said no. He was our first pick until then.\n\nThis may merit its own thread, but I wonder about this sometimes when I am asked for a reference from someone I have concerns about. Should I just politely decline, or is there an obligation to warn peers about this person?",
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"e0m3owx": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0m3owx/",
"text": "I decline, but it's up to you.",
"author": null,
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"e0m7t4k": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0m7t4k/",
"text": ">I wonder about this sometimes when I am asked for a reference from someone I have concerns about. Should I just politely decline, or is there an obligation to warn peers about this person?\n\nThis gets tricky if you're a supervisor\\-\\- we are required by our HR rules to contact the candidate's current or immediate past supervisor for a reference check. That's commonly a graduate advisor or department chair, and sometimes they clearly are not keen on giving a reference...so they will damn with faint praise. I've only had a couple who ever gave what I'd consider negative references, and they were basically warnings about personality issues we had already flagged.\n\nIf you are asked by a candidate and cannot give a positive reference I'd indeed simply decline. I have done that with students many times.",
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"e0l2nhs": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l2nhs/",
"text": "I start grad school in a couple of months. Can I reserve a job at your institution for five years from now? ",
"author": "UnspectacularAim",
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"e0l5su5": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0l5su5/",
"text": "Next opening for us will be organic chemistry in 5 years. Interested?",
"author": null,
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"e0lqsf6": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0lqsf6/",
"text": "How far out in advance do schools know about open positions? 5 years seems like a lot in advance.",
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"e0m3ii9": {
"link": "/r/AskAcademia/comments/8qnode/why_didnt_you_hire_them/e0m3ii9/",
"text": "We have one who said he will retire in 5 years. ",
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